SEB Nam Pack 2: Released.

[devil,s guard]

i spent 20 mins stewing on the stuff i ve read the last couple of months on the pack and missions and the rest.nothing ever good enought is it.

[Dinger]

Don't sweat it DG. Nothing _is_ ever good enough that it can't stand improvement.  Don't take criticism personally, even if it isn't very diplomatic.
it's not very helpful when someone says "the camera work isn't very good".  It's much more helpful when they're specific, like "perhaps you should reduce the number of 'moving camera' shots".  Still, somebody is not only playing your mission, but also giving feedback, which is more than most people do.
There are also considerable variations in asian villages from one end of the continent to the other (Weather differences, method of food production variations, usw), but as far as general contents go, yeah, you're probably right.  And not only soldiers get to see the interior.  If anybody bothers to go to the library, they could probably find a couple of anthropological studies of vietnamese villages, complete with descriptions of the village structure and contents of the huts.

[Eviscerator]

well, he did say 'on my patrol', i suppose he could have been patrolling the library getting ready to assault the librarians desk

anyway i missed him explaining above, my point was that if he didnt see how the huts were in vietnam there could be stark differences between them and the ones in any countries he was in

[Desdichado]

RE: Missions

You all seem to want one thing, and one thing only. Realism. Realism is a good thing, however, you all seem to forget the most basic point of this whole game and Nampack 2, and that is that THIS IS A GAME. (is it not?   )

Like one said here on the previous page: "I don't release my missions since I always come up with a technical difficulty. eg. my chopper wont land at the place it is intended too". Well, so much for realism...  You need to do what other's do, workaround...

And like ebud said on another post: "First they would (meaning the US) use artillery, then they would send in gunships, and then, and only then would they send in the marines"...

Question: How fun is it to sneak into a village wich has already been wiped out? Perhaps there is a one legged NVA still hanging around?  


I will repeat myself, this is a game, let's encourage people that are trying to make mission by trying them out and letting them know what they need to work on to make the missions better. And let us do this in a way that doesn't take away they joy of making missions.  


All in all, we all want the same...


Happy new year...    ;D



Des, OUT!

[.pablo.]

im sorry if i hurt dg's feelings, but i went out before i could finish it, so all the positive points never made it in.

what i never got to say was that the campaign is obviously a treat for people who dont want to wait for complex missions with great cutscenes.  the only reason i didn't like it is because i would rather have 1 great mission that 40 ok ones.  i want vietnam missions to be full of atmosphere, with storylines that get you into the action.  he chose a balance of quantity and quality which i disagree with.  but dont expect me to apolgize for not liking it.  dg has to learn that some people will like it and some won't.  he shouldnt care what i think, b/c i sure as hell wouldnt care what he thought.  if he thinks it's good, thats all that should matter to him.

"i spent 20 mins stewing on the stuff i ve read the last couple of months on the pack and missions and the rest"

i dont understand what that means.  what is stewing?

"it's not very helpful when someone says "the camera work isn't very good""

i didnt get to explain what i meant.  you know those default camera shots in the mission editor that do stuff like rotate and zoom around a target?  he used that stuff, which i dont care for.  just looks rushed.

"Realism is a good thing, however, you all seem to forget the most basic point of this whole game and Nampack 2, and that is that THIS IS A GAME. (is it not?)"

i understand what you're saying.  i didn't like his mission because it looked sloppy, had little or no plot to make me believe and understand what was happening, and the missions themselves looked like they were put together in 5 minutes.  if i want a huge ass battle, i can make one in the mission editor.  what i want is plot twists and surprises, things you cant get if you dont know what is going on.

i encourage him to keep releasing his work, but if he wants rave reviews he is going to have to put the work in.

[devil,s guard]

first off there are 30 missions not 40. yet.2nd you guys get this shit for free and all you do is winge about it, yes it is a game but have you ever been on a real operation humping up and down real mountains all day carrying and REAL gun and looking for REAL people to shoot, it get pretty fucken boring.you wait all day for some1 to fire a shot and then if they do it might only last a minute befor they run into the j and you never c them again.except for ww1 and ww2, gurilla conflict are just that.BORING

 pablom123 IF I DIDNT LIKE IT THE PACK OR A MISSION SOME 1 SPENT THE TIME TO MAKE I WOULD NT SAY IT WAS SHIT OR HAD NO PLOT ON A PUBLIC FORUM YOU COCK AND IF YOU CANT FIND THE PLOT YOU MUST BE DUMDER THAN YOU ACT

.the next pack is a 12 pack with a so called plot. is called OPERATION HIGH LANDER.BEING BETA TESTED NOW BY nekkekami henki 22 BEAVIS66 AND EBUD HAS OFFERED TO HELP + 1 OR TWO OTHERS.

Posted by: Eviscerator Posted on: Today at 00:36:34
well, he did say 'on my patrol', i suppose he could have been patrolling the library getting ready to assault the librarians desk

anyway i missed him explaining above, my point was that if he didnt see how the huts were in vietnam there could be stark differences between them and the ones in any countries he was in  
         /quote]                                                                                         IM A MACHINE GUNNER  FOR REAL AND ILL PUT A PIC UP MAYBE 1 DAY BUT THERE HAS TO BE A SURCER LINE,ALL I ASKED FOR WAS A BAMBO BED IN THE HUTS TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER THAN A SHIPPING CRATE I HAVE DONE MANY PATROLS AND WORKED IN VARIOUS UNITS OF THE ARMY I HAVE READ THESE FORUMS AND HAD A JOKE WITH THE BOYS MANY TIMES OVER ALL OF THE ARMCHAIR COMMANDOS.THATS WHY IM PISSED OFF YOU DONT NO WHO IS READING THIS AND WHAT HE DOSE FOR A LIVEING.WHERE HES BEEN OR WHAT HE S SEEN.FUCK YOU VERY MUCH DEVIL'S GUARD                                                                                          

[Eviscerator]

every country in asia is the same? i dont think russia and places like the phillipines have too much in common, what about india? pakistan? afghanistan? japan?

and no, i dont know what people do for a living, but unless you were in vietnam at that specific time how can you say what should be there? as i said waaaaay back up there^^ give us a photo of a hut from vietnam, from around that era explaining what you want and it will be considered


and fuck you too

[devil,s guard]

first off there are 30 missions not 40. yet.2nd you guys get this shit for free and all you do is winge about it, yes it is a game but have you ever been on a real operation humping up and down real mountains all day carrying and REAL gun and looking for REAL people to shoot, it get pretty fucken boring.you wait all day for some1 to fire a shot and then if they do it might only last a minute befor they run into the j and you never c them again.except for ww1 and ww2, guerilla conflict are just that.BORING

 pablom123 IF I DIDNT LIKE  THE PACK OR A MISSION SOME 1 SPENT THE TIME TO MAKE I WOULD NT SAY IT WAS SHIT OR HAD NO PLOT ON A PUBLIC FORUM YOU COCK AND IF YOU CANT FIND THE PLOT YOU MUST BE DUMDER THAN YOU ACT. CANT WAIT TO CHECK OUT YOUR MASTER PIECE

.the next pack is a 12 pack with a so called plot. is called OPERATION HIGH LANDER.BEING BETA TESTED NOW BY nekkekami henki 22 BEAVIS66 AND EBUD HAS OFFERED TO HELP campaign it + 1 OR TWO OTHERS.

Posted by: Eviscerator Posted on: Today at 00:36:34
well, he did say 'on my patrol', i suppose he could have been patrolling the library getting ready to assault the librarians desk

anyway i missed him explaining above, my point was that if he didnt see how the huts were in vietnam there could be stark differences between them and the ones in any countries he was in  
         

                                                                MY PATROL WELL LETS SEE.IM A MACHINE GUNNER  FOR REAL AND ILL PUT A PIC UP MAYBE 1 DAY OR SOME COOL SHIT THAT I HAVE DONE BUT THERE HAS TO BE A SECURE  LINE,ALL I ASKED FOR WAS A BAMBO BED IN THE HUTS TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER THAN A SHIPPING CRATE I HAVE DONE MANY PATROLS AND WORKED IN VARIOUS UNITS OF THE ARMY I HAVE READ THESE FORUMS AND HAD A JOKE WITH THE BOYS MANY TIMES OVER ALL OF THE  ARMCHAIR COMMANDOS SOME OF YOU ARE.THATS WHY IM PISSED OFF YOU DONT NO WHO IS READING THIS AND WHAT HE DOSE FOR A LIVEING.WHERE HES BEEN OR WHAT HE S SEEN.NOT ALL OF YOU ARE BAD PEOPLE BUT THIS GUY HAS COPED THE FLAK FOR JUST BEING A DICK IN PERSON.WHO THE FUCK IS HE TO TELL PEOPLE THAT THERE WORK LACKS PLOT WHEN HE HASNT PUT ANYTHING OUT HIM SELF.I MUST HAVE MISSED THE PLOT WHEN I MADE FIGHT THE ENEMY AND HOLD THE LZ,THEN THE NEXT MISSION WOULD BE TO BE A GUNNER IN A GUNSHIP PUTTING FIRE DOWN AROUND THE LZ WITHOUT KILLING FREINDLY AND THE 3RD WOULD BE TO LAND YOUR HUEY IN THE HOT LZ AND PICK TROOPS UP.UMMM NO PLOT MUST HAVE LEFT THAT 1 OUT SORRY AND FUCK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ADVICE ILL TRY AND DO BETTER. DEVIL'S GUARD                                                                                     ps this is the same bloke that needed to know what RAR was wasnt it.ummmmmmmmmmm i feel better now ;D    

[.pablo.]

"pablom123 IF I DIDNT LIKE  THE PACK OR A MISSION SOME 1 SPENT THE TIME TO MAKE I WOULD NT SAY IT WAS sh*t OR HAD NO PLOT ON A PUBLIC FORUM YOU COCK"

when did i say it was shit?  i said it had a weak plot, and that is because it did.  and what does this being a pub forum have anything to do with that?

usually in campaigns you know who you are playing as.  for example, in resistance you were playing an ex-warrior who is forced back into combat.  you have no characters.

"WHO THE f**k IS HE TO TELL PEOPLE THAT THERE WORK LACKS PLOT WHEN HE HASNT PUT ANYTHING OUT HIM SELF"

i was reviewing it for the benefit of others.  thats like saying siskel and ebert have no right criticizing movies, because they dont make movies themselves.

[devil,s guard]

Eviscerator you were saying patrols and being a smart arse about it,yes.should i go on.patrols what did i do

[devil,s guard]

and my issue was with  pablom123 not you : Eviscerator .


 Eviscerator .
are you telling me that in south east asia they dont sleep on any sort of bedding.what about malaysia, phillippines or timor or indo.there dont change much.

[.pablo.]

just because you were in the army doesnt mean that you know what the floor of a vietnam-era hut looks like

[Eviscerator]

just because you were in the army doesnt mean that you know what the floor of a vietnam-era hut looks like

my point exactly

they may use bedding, but whos to say its exactly the same? or the type you mentioned, but again, find us a picture from vietnam of the type you want, we cant exactly model/texture from your mind

[Cloney]

I doubt he was in the Army, Probably some 12 year old kid judging by his grammar and punctuation. Mission Editing is about making a mission and seeing what others think. You take what they tell you and make your mission perfect. It helps when you listen to criticism rather than scream at the critics.

If you can handle this post then cry me a river. Also, who gives a shit about the floor of some hut, is it really that important?

[ebud]

The huts used were just reskins made before O2.  I have a couple in progress, but I'm too much of a slacker at the moment to finish them right away, plus there are a few other things I'm working on that sucks my time as well. They will get finished though, along with a few other things, just not very soon.

DG's missions could use a bit of polish, but they are all tactically sound even if they lack theatrical depth. I just skip the intros and get to the meat of the missions. The engagements are believable, the objectives are all based in reality as well. They may not use fancy scripting, cinema quality cutscenes, but I still enjoy them. I agree that I too would love to play a few very well made missions over 20 lesser quality missions, but I can't do much better, so I just try to give advice if I can and hope for the best. Not everyone has the time or the ability to learn the ins and outs of the OFP scripting engine...god knows I sure don't, so in all fairness, reviews can be a good thing, but without well thought out constructive criticism they do little to help the mission maker develope their skills, and just piss them off.

DG's a good guy, and does know what he's talking about. Maybe he can't script for sheit, but if he says that the difference in huts varies little thoughout tropical climates, I tend to believe him. I have more than enough reference pics for the outside of huts in Vietnam during the time period, but only have written accounts for the interiors, so any photo reference would help in that aspect.

So.... can't we all just get along?

hehe

Ebud