ok iam just learning, somethings can go in the " " or [] and ( ) and then you might need a , but you elso might need a space after the , but i do use the ; it comes in handy. but yea ,, some of the things ive been doing there is no sortcuts for,,, and thats fine. but really in the heli thingy this guy wants, id just use a script ok no more coffee for me :-X