bravoteam4 = Group ap; this setGroupId ["Bravo", "GroupColor4"] was what ive been trying the ap is player
bravoteam4 setGroupId ["Bravo", "GroupColor4"] this does something
sorry, bravoteam4=group this; setGroupId ["Bravo", "GroupColor4"] in loon's init. is an error
iam betting some little thingy is being over looked on my part here,,,,,,,,,iam off to see what good ol' Student Pilot's got going on, thanks guys ;D