Knowsabout

[benreeper]

Is it possible to transer the enemy knowledge contents from one group to another so that the members of group A can recieve intelligence from group B.

Ben

[teeBore]

Try adding group B to group A, which might cause them to inheret 'knowledge'. Then separate tehm into their own group again.

I'm not quite sure how to test knowledge so I can't test this for myself. I'll look into it.

[Spinor]

There exists the command
group reveal unit,
that reveals unit to group, even if it does not know about it.

If groupEnemy is detected by groupB and want this info transferred to groupA, you could try
"if ((leader groupB) knowsAbout _x > 0) then {groupA reveal _x}" forEach (units groupEnemy)

The if takes care that only known enemies are transferred.

Spinor

[benreeper]

Thanks I'll give that a try.

Ben

[NuclearSnake]

Also if you synchronise waypoints, they seem to communicate, if a sentry in town is synchronised to many guards around , they come one after another as needed. If you don't want your units to move at all you use HOLD waypoint and OPEN FIRE mode, meaning they fire whitout running to enemy, or rarely.

[Chris Death]

Also if you synchronise waypoints, they seem to communicate, if a sentry in town is synchronised to many guards around , they come one after another as needed. If you don't want your units to move at all you use HOLD waypoint and OPEN FIRE mode, meaning they fire whitout running to enemy, or rarely.

Just for info,

you don't need to syncronize a GUARD waypoint with anything,
to get the effect of having the guards informed about a battle.
Units/groups with a guard waypoint will always go for enemies,
wherever they get detected. The AI even decides, how many
troops are needed and which groups needs to be sent there.

~S~ CD

[benreeper]

Can you script the "Guard" type waypoint?

Ben

[wi77ard]

can you get troops that are on a guard wapoint to return to their guard waypoint, after having been sent to kill ememy troops?

[Zayfod]

Absolutely right  Chris Death.....Guard waypoint is one of my favourites ;D

wi77ard--Yes that is what the guard waypoint was designed for.

After they have checked out the area where the enemy was spotted they go back and guard at the guard waypoint.

Zay out

[wi77ard]

thanx Zayfod, will be handy to use in missions now i actually know what it does  

[benreeper]

Zayford I think what you are doing can work here.

Ben

[Zayfod]

Hi benreeper

hey if you meant by

Zayford I think what you are doing can work here.

= what am I (Zayfod)  doing here? Then lol I complement you on your word play.nice.

Answer: Doin same as DV Chris death just helpin out wi77ard is all, not tryin to intrude.

Otherwise not sure what you meant.

Btw hope u solved your issue with transfer of knowledge.

Zay out.

[benreeper]

No I meant your AI control.  Trying to get them to do better and more realistic things.

With the transfer:
The knowledge is only there for a split second and a group can't act on the knowledge (.ie, does not show up in their target menu).  What I'm looking for is all players on a side to have the knowledge of all players on their side, like a traditional rts.  I guess as it stands now each group is a separate entity and all they do is check if another group is friendly or not in order to fire on them.

Ben

[Zayfod]

hmmm u may have a point-- tho Im no guru and this may have already been solved.

I know CoC have made it so u (as player and head of command) have control and situation reports over multiple AI groups but dunno if the all the friendly AI groups are actually aware of where all the other friendly AI groups are.

Perhaps it is possible since this calculation seems to be done(if only for a split second) during the execution of the guard or multiple guard waypoints.

you don't need to syncronize a GUARD waypoint with anything,
to get the effect of having the guards informed about a battle.
Units/groups with a guard waypoint will always go for enemies,
wherever they get detected. The AI even decides, how many
troops are needed and which groups needs to be sent there.

Ill think on that one

BTW I didnt make AIcontrol.sqs Bremmer made that. Im working on the smarter AI  trench warfare script ;D

Zay out

[Spinor]

I know CoC have made it so u (as player and head of command) have control and situation reports over multiple AI groups but dunno if the all the friendly AI groups are actually aware of where all the other friendly AI groups are.

In the Command Engine from CoC, the information about detected enemies is obtained with a "XXX detected by YYY" trigger that supplies a list of all detected enemy units (not bothering by which group they are actually detected). This information is not transmitted to other AI groups though, it is only used for displaying enemies on the players map.

The knowledge is only there for a split second and a group can't act on the knowledge (.ie, does not show up in their target menu).  What I'm looking for is all players on a side to have the knowledge of all players on their side, like a traditional rts.  I guess as it stands now each group is a separate entity and all they do is check if another group is friendly or not in order to fire on them.

Using an "XXX detected by YYY" trigger, I think one can achieve such a perfect knowledge transfer as you desire (pseudo code):

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{_y = _x; {_y reveal _x} forEach AllDetectedEnemies} forEach AllFriendlies
(I hope this works out of the box). The idea is simply to reveal every detected enemy to every friendly unit. Should be used continually in intervals. As it stands it will probably use a lot of CPU power as the transfer is instantaneously for all units.

I think the way the transmitted knowledge is handled depends on the distance between the friendly and the enemy. If the enemy is too far away, the friendly group simply doesnÂ't bother. On the other hand revealing a nearby unit, does have an effect, i.e. the newly known enemy is taken into account.

Spinor from CoC

[benreeper]

Hmm?

Ben

[SSG Plazmoid]

I wanted to check what a particular squad of units knew about any player controlled unit. I then wanted to force the AI to pursue the player even if they didn't know enough about the player target yet.

So, I decided to use reveal. Testing with a continuously running loop of what each element of the AI squad knew about my target I revealed the target to the squad. I was suprised to note that even as the AI squad was firing at the target location (I gave them a dofire order in script) the knowsabout value for the target NEVER CHANGED. After a short time the AI squad forgot about the target and went on their merry way.

In short, reveal has no effect on knowsabout that I could measure.

[Spinor]

Hmm?

Hmm? The idea is to reveal every detected enemy to every friendly unit. I gathered this is what you are after? For this to work you need an array of all friendly units, e.g. if you have two groups on your side, you could do it like:
AllFriendlies = (units grp1) + (units grp2)

In addition, you need an array of all detected enemy units. This is provided by an "East detected by West" Trigger (for example where east is the enemy). The trigger should cover the whole map. Give this trigger a name like EdbW and use
AllDetectedEnemies = list EdbW
(the list command returns an array of units within a triggers scope).
Now you should have everything ready for the above reveal snippet to work.

In short, reveal has no effect on knowsabout that I could measure.

When I tested it, it has an effect on the knowsabout value (check out the attached mission, where an east group is revealed every 20 secs to the leader of a west group.
My findings are:
-When revealing a unit, the knowsabout value (KA) jumps to 1.0
-When the unit is too far away (~1000m, viewdistance?), KA immediately drops back to zero
-Within the above range, KA slowly drops off normally after revealing
-In addition, if sufficiently close, the behaviour of the unit to which the enemy is revealed switches to combat and it will even try to attack the actually invisible enemy  

[benreeper]

I'm going to try your test mission out.  

My first test had a huge trigger.  I revealed all east to west.  I thought that if I did that those revealed units would show up on my target menu but they did not.  More knowledge of knowsabout and reveal is needed by me.  Knowsabout should diminish when far away but I don't think it shouldn't if there is a group there (not yours) that has a high knowsabout.  If you send a unit from your squad half way across the map they will report all enemies back to you.  I'm just wondering why groups on the same side don't know about each other.

Ben