SEB Nam Pack 2.0

[ebud]

I'd say both 1 and 2. There were FAR more injuries than deaths in combat during the period. Plus with both of them implemented, like ST said, Medivac's and medics will get a reall workout.... like they should. One of my favorite things about Ghost Recon was the supressive fire mode. Pray and spray. I think it would add alot to the feel of the whole game. This will be even better when used in the Ia Drang map. No more getting sniped by an AK through 100 meters of forrest.

[Aeon]

Same opinion as Ebud : 1) and 2)
(if you have to choose only one, so first one).
I'm conviced weapon such Chicom, SKS, AK, even M16 (first version) was inaccurate. Not comparaison with AK and M16 used in OFP cold war

Don't try Red's Weapon pack, but I like your idea SelectThis. Increase dispersion decrease hit = more firefight
ENJOY  

[Nixer6]

SelectThis

Real good point(s)!

  I'd like to try both, I mean less accurate ammo and less damage. I have read stories about six man recon teams surrounded by NVA battallions! who eventually got out.
Everybody was shot up in most cases and some times some KIA's, but they got extracted! Try that with current accuracy and damage models

 Of course, sometimes teams just disappeared

The current M79 model is more like a portable 105mm howitzer, FWIW  

Not just M79 but all grenade launchers, I think.

Keep up the good work

I lose things in the front of my mind (cough, cough, cough)
don;t think I've been to the back lately ;D

[Nokic]

Last Magazine ..... gimme one of yours .....!!
Got no ammo .......
Ok lets use Bajonets !!!!!
Sching .... Arrghhhhh...
Like We were Soldiers ;D
Could be great, if it works good.
Hope you make it the right way
Hang on, keep up the good work.!!

BeErZyMoTiC

[ebud]

Another option would be to up the armor values in the Nam pack troops legs and arms. That way, really head shots or hits to center mass would only be deadly. All other hits would just be disabling.

[Nixer6]

ebud said:

Another option would be to up the armor values in the Nam pack troops legs and arms. That way, really head shots or hits to center mass would only be deadly. All other hits would just be disabling

I don't know much about the armor/damage models. Good idea!

A combination of all might just be the answer. Is the difference in the effectiveness between the 7.62mm AK vs the 5.56 M16/CAR 15 modeled? I think "most" NVA hadn't done a whole bunch of rifle range work before they headed south. I doubt they got to fire much, except in combat, once they got there. Not sure though

From what I know and/or have read, hand grenades are way too effective also. If you are prone when one hits within a few feet of you, in OFP you are dead. I don't think this was true in real life, as most of the blast and shrapnel goes up, vertically, not horizontally. AFAIK

The NVA used Chicom grenades(potatoe masher type)

LOTS of duds. Can this be modeled? I am on an extended road trip. I sure wish I had my books with me

[Vyper]

I think decreasing accuracy is a good start......and i'm not talking a couple of centimeters away from where you aim at 50m......i think you fire say 3 rounds at 50m...they should spread quite a bit..i mean firing one round at 100m should be near immpossible to hit a running target....this means spraying fire which means more atmosphere and tension. No sniping.

Saying, sniping gives me an idea though. You decrease penetration values of guns or armour on people raise..and the sniper rifles become useless......One hit should kill with those, bar legs or arms....but they should do damage big time.



The main thing that needs to be done is making the machine guns such sa the M60 and RPK (or whatever the NVA/VC/PAVN used) a hell of a lot more inacurate. just tried this and with the origional M60 i can down a medium speed enemy running on the horizontal at about 100m with one shot about 85% of the time........this is wrong!

I think accuract lower, but leave the rest.

Is there any way to make the soldiers use full auto and spray most of the time. Especially the MG's because they seem to like to pick of targets. Full auto should be the defult. Mayvbe not so much for the US infantry but definantly more than currently is.

Vyper

[BoNeCoLLeCToR]

to the makers of the nam pack will there be a howercraft addon too in the pack it would be very cool if you guys make one the US used howercraft in vietnam

[ebud]

No, the PACV will not be made. The hybrid characteristics of it make it near impossible to do.

[DeadMeatXM2]

1 and 2 mate,

i really hate it in ofp when you make a dash, and some ba***rd enemy, with an ak takes you out from 3/400 m+ when you can hardly see him

I like your ideas to prolong the firefights and increase the atmosphere.

I say - go with both of them!

Keep it up guys, lookin REAL NICE.

cheers

[Vyper]

Is there anyway to limit the soldiers laying down?

Especially the Vietnamese soldiers....As they liked to run right into the barrels of the US soldiers. And the US should really kneel down more than go prone. This would make it much more life like and make the whole NAM experiance an actual NAM experiance instead of OFP with a different set of clothes.

If this is possible, it would be ace.....

But i'm really with you on making the weapons less accurate...much mroe so than RED's pack......i'm thinking realism and unaccuracy kills, you not the enemy! So its a challenge still!"

Vyper

[Donnervogel]

You watched too many movies. The Vietnamese fighters (VC and NVA) defenetly didn't like to run into US bullets. They were trained too and they liked to lure on the US Soldiers. In the end they're humans too and humans usualy don't run into bullets.

[Nokic]

You want that the NVA/VC always stand
Dont you know the OFP Editorcommands ...
its enough to tip in the Init: this setunitpos "up"
Then he will never go ground
Just a example. Dont know if I unserstand U.

[ebud]

You watched too many movies. The Vietnamese fighters (VC and NVA) defenetly didn't like to run into US bullets. They were trained too and they liked to lure on the US Soldiers. In the end they're humans too and humans usualy don't run into bullets.

Many times they were unaware that they were leading a human wave assault, or were so hyped up that their courage was more than enough for them to think that they could survive that style of attack. The VC not as much, but from what I've read, during Tet, human wave assaults by VC were not uncommon during those few weeks. Now NVA assaults of this type are well documented. For example, when the goal was to overwhelm a recon team, some poor sap was sent out to try and locate a team by drawing fire, then the supporting troops would mass and try to overwhelm a team with more troops than the team had ammo. Eventually the enemy could overwhelm a small unit with superior numbers. Casualties were not that important, a victory was.

[Donnervogel]

I know it happend. But it was not the usual behavior of them. And Tet is really a bad example. It was only one offensive and it was devastating for the NVA. Teir losses were massive. In normal combat they fought as everyone else did.