Name of Scud Rocket?

[Raptorsaurus]

When the scud launches its rocket, does that rocket have a TYPEOF name?  I want to add better smoke and flames, and also to be able to manipulate the missile's velocity (if possible).  But to do so I have to know the rocket's OFP name.

Thanks.

[Planck]

The scud rocket has 2 models:

scud_strela_proxy.p3d
scud_strela_ohen.p3d

They don't appear to have any names that I can see.

They are mentioned in the cfgVehicles part of the config, in the Scud definition as:

scudModel="scud_strela_proxy";
scudModelFire="scud_strela_ohen";

One is also in the cfgNonAIVehicles section thus:

class ProxyScud_Strela_Proxy:ProxyWeapon
      {
      model="Scud_Strela_Proxy";
      simulation="scud";
      };

Which I think will be the static rocket whilst it is on the launcher.  I imagine its OFP name would be "ProxyScud_Strela_Proxy".

I can't see the other model mentioned anywhere else.


Planck

[Raptorsaurus]

Thanks, I will give that a try.  I will do both a nearestObject using "ProxyScud_Strela_Proxy" and a createVehicle.  I'm at work now, so I will try it when I get home and post if it is sucessful (for future similar questions).

[bored_onion]

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_type = typeof _scud

hint format["Type: %1",_type]
could be of some use if you can capture the scud using nearestobject or something

[Platoon Patton]

If U use General Barrons Editor Update U can find it under EU-Misc:Explosive Scud Missile.

Put

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hint format ["%1",typeof this]in the init to find out the Type.

[Raptorsaurus]

Thanks, so "AAA836" it is!

[Platoon Patton]

Well if this missile is the same like the one on the scud yes.

i am not sure about that.

I wonder what the return of EH fired is on a scud?
Will test it tomorrow

[Raptorsaurus]

"AAA836" does not work with nearestObject [_scud, "AAA836"].  I do not think EA "fired" works with the scud?  Scuds use scudState, but I do not think that they trigger the "fired" EH.  I tried this some time ago, but I will try it again.

[Raptorsaurus]

I tested the nearestobject at all scudeStates, and none of these work: _mis = NearestObject [_scud, "ProxyScud_Strela_Proxy"] and _mis = NearestObject [_scud, "AAA836"] does not work.  Also, the "fired" EH does not work with the scud.  It is like the firing scud is just a very large animation and the rocket is not even "real".  When one does "AAA836" createVehicle (getPos Player) the rocket that appears will deflect bullets shot at it, but the rocket that is fired from the scud does not!  I even fired an RPG at it and it goes right through!  Its all "smoke and mirrors"!!  What is needed is a Scud addon that has a real missile.  The OPR_Scud_B and the Bas_Scud behave the same as the BIS Scud!  They do use a missile for ground impact, but they createVehicle it in the clouds and let it fall on the target.  I want a missile that truely follows a parabolic trajectory from launch to target.  That way one can still get a last minute kill on a scud just as it is launching and prevent the aftermath.  As it is now you can blast a scud as it is launching and the darn "smoke and mirrors" missile is completely unaffected.  OK, sorry, my question has now just become a recrutement request, to that end to the recrutement forum I now go.

[bored_onion]

use a fired eventhandler to run a script and then for the nearestobject command you can use '_this select 4' for what fired and 'this select 0' for whatever ammo it did fire so something like:

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_vehicle = _this select 0
_scud = _this select 4

nearestobject [_vehicle,_scud]

_type = typeof _scud

hint format["Scud is called: %1",_type]

[h-]

fired eventHandler does not work on the Scud launcher...
The launch is an animated sequence, not a weapon fired...

I think BIS implemented it as a prop rather than a 'weapon' so it has no other use than cutscenes and other 'effects' like the in the last couple of missions in the CWC campaign...
Much like the LST is...

@Raptorsaurus:
You could try to find the missile by doing a 'widened' nearestObject search (you need to write a function for this so it's fast enough) by searching around the scud launcher until the right p3d name comes up...

_scud = nearestObject [position scudLauncher select 0,position scudLauncher select 1,position scudLauncher select 2]

And add an offset on those position select blah blahs by using trigonometry or some basic 'x,y' stuff...

And once you find it you can follow it and then when appropriate replace it with your own scud (classed as regular missile) and use guidance code on that and yay, should be a 'real' working scud...

Of course, I give no guarantees this would work

[bored_onion]

maybe just get all the units in a trigger, including a scud and then display the types of all of them.

[Raptorsaurus]

I have tried all this and have concluded that there just is no "real" missile at all.  I even hovered a helicopter right over the scud.  The "smoke and mirrors" missile went right through my chopper doing no damage at all!  The "missile apparition" continues to about 1000 ft, so at that point I could setPos the "AA836" rocket (which I would have to "pre accelerate to get it verticle) and then do newtonian physics on that to do a parabolic trajectory to the target area.  The problem with this is that still does not allow for the possibility of destroying the missile for the first 1000 ft after lift off.

I am good at scripting and function writing, but as for addon making I am pretty much clueless, otherwise I would be gald to just make a "Real Missile" Scud addon.  I did post it as an idea in the Addon Ideas forum, but so far no one has shown interest in doing the addon.

[bored_onion]

im sure general barron's editor upgrade comes with a whole load of basic munitions which you could play about with. have you tried it?

[Raptorsaurus]

The problem is not camcreating a munition, (I can do that with no problem) the problem is trying to get hold of an already launched munition (which in this case turns out does not even really exist).  But I have found a work around!! ;D  I have a second scud that lauches a missile far away and well before the scud that concerns me launches (this makes the second scud empty - no missile).  So, just as the scud of interest lauches its missile, I delete it and move the standby scud (which has already launched its missile) into the place where the deleted scud was.  I transfer the crew from the deleted scud to the standby scud and then createVehicle the missile from the BAS_Scud right at the launch location (this missile has allready been vertically pre-accelerated so it is pointing straight up).  I then do my physics magic on the "real" missile, which can be destroyed and can be setVelocity manipulated - I am most happy!! ;D  I found a work arround!!!  It is not as neat as a proper addon would be, but it works!!  When I have all the details worked out I will submit it to the editors depot! ;D

[h-]

Ok... Interesting..

It seems that the scud is a prop then...
I tried that nearestobject thing myself and did not find anything so it's very likely that it does not exist then (the rocket)...

If the missile model has no geometry etc it will not 'hit' anything... That would also prevent it from having it's velocity set properly.. It could be done but the missile would not go where you direct it...
So this probbaly means that even if you could have found the launched scud you would still have had to come up with some workaround to actually guide it...

[Platoon Patton]

Project MSCUD on the way? ;D

[Planck]

If the missile model has no geometry etc it will not 'hit' anything

Actually both of the scud p3d models have a Geometry LOD
They also have a Fire Geometry LOD.

Details below:

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scud_strela_ohen.p3d
--------------------

1.000      89 vertices   77 Faces
lodnoshadow 1, autocenter 0

2.000      85 vertices   75 Faces
lodnoshadow 1

4.000      53 vertices   47 Faces
lodnoshadow 1

5.500      45 vertices   35 Faces
lodnoshadow 1, lodneeded 2

7.000      37 vertices   25 Faces
Fire Geometry   9 vertices   9 Faces
Geometry   9 vertices   9 Faces
Memory      2 vertices   0 Faces
tryska, tryskaend

Textures used for each resolution LOD:
data\raketa_tryska.pac, data\rocketflame.paa, data\rocketflame_b.paa, data\scud_raketa.pac, data\scud_raketa1.pac, data\scud_raketa2.pac

--------------------------------------------------

scud_strela_proxy.p3d
---------------------

1.000      77 vertices   72 Faces
lodnoshadow 1, autocenter 0

2.000      73 vertices   70 Faces
lodnoshadow 1

4.000      41 vertices   42 Faces
lodnoshadow 1

5.500      33 vertices   30 Faces
lodnoshadow 1, lodneeded 2

7.000      25 vertices   20 Faces
Fire Geometry   9 vertices   9 Faces
Geometry   9 vertices   9 Faces
Memory      2 vertices   0 Faces
tryska, tryskaend

Textures used for each resolution LOD:
data\raketa_tryska.pac, data\scud_raketa.pac, data\scud_raketa1.pac, data\scud_raketa2.pac



Planck

[Raptorsaurus]

Planck,

Yes, but the "AAA836" (which is the BIS "camreateable") rocket will not change its orientation with velocity manipulation (i.e. when an aircarft type vehicle is given a vertical velocity it will start to pitch upward).  The BIS "AAA836" just stays horizontal!  That is why I am using the BAS_scud.  It pitches and yaws according to the resultants of the velocity components.  The OPR_scud also works.

Platoon Patton,

That is great that you are doing an Mscud addon!  Let me know if you need any scripting/function writing help.

[Platoon Patton]

Lol not me Raptorsaurus,

I was referring to Hater_kint and their MCAR project  

[h-]

Project MSCUD on the way? ;D

;D
I doubt it...

Actually both of the scud p3d models have a Geometry LOD
They also have a Fire Geometry LOD.

Oh...
I just assumed that though...

Then they must have some characteristics in the engine that prevents them from being 'real'...